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Starting PC requires me to push F-4, otherwise it will not load the o/s.


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#1 dmburkus

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Posted 28 October 2023 - 12:41 AM

Hi. I originally posted this on the LinuxMint Forums, since the issue appears to have been caused by running Linux, from a disk, on a machine that had Windows 7 installed as its operating system.  However, because the installed operating system is Windows 7, the LinuxMint Forum people would not touch the question.

 

A little over a month ago I was planning to exchange my 240 GB SSD drive for a new 500 GB SSD drive. I decided to test Linux as a co-operating system, and a friend of mine suggested that I use a disk that he had sent me a year or two ago, with Linux Mint 19.2-XFC (64 bit), to test drive the operating system on this PC -- yes, I understand that this is an outdated version of Linux Mint, but I was acting under this person's direction (and though I mentioned downloading a more recent version, he said it would not matter for the test).

I had set the boot sequence to be CD-player several years ago. When I inserted the disk in the CD player and started the machine, it booted from the disk, though the process was a little slow (slower than what I remember booting from the disk was on other PCs).

When I had finished confirming that Linux would do what I wanted it to do, I shut down the machine. But when it reached the point in the closing sequence where it asked me to remove the disk from the CD player, and I did so (and closed the drawer), the PC seemed frozen. After giving it about 30 minutes to resolve matters internally, I shut the machine down manually.

Thereafter, whenever I start the machine, the loading screen gives me two options (at the bottom of the screen),

F-2 for Startup (apparently this is the "enter bios" command for this PC), and F-4 "For Recovery."

If I did neither, after a couple of seconds a black screen would load, with a white blinking cursor dash in the upper left hand corner, that cannot be navigated away from. As the only operating system installed on this PC at the time was Windows 7, I pressed F-4. Then, after beeping (a sound I never heard this PC make before), Windows loaded normally.

After this happened a couple of additional times, i mentioned it to the person who was helping me (the friend who was guiding me in Linux said that something similar happened to him once, but after a couple of restarts the issue "cleared up"). It has now been 3 weeks, of daily use, daily shut-downs and restartings, but nothing has changed. I subsequently attempted to enter Window's repair, and then safe mode, and the repair options menu for things like "restore Windows to a known good state," and so forth, by pressing F-8, but I was unable to surpass the need to press F-4 -- and after pressing F-4 it is impossible to access any of these diagnostic Windows tools. In other words, if I pushed F-8, the machine goes immediately to the black screen.

After disconnecting the C: drive, I attempted to run Windows off of a flash drive, but encountered the same problem -- thereby suggesting that this is not a hard-drive related issue, but, as best as I can figure, represents some sort of changes to the firmware of the main board (?), or something of the sort.

I decided to try replacing the hard drive with the new 500 GB drive, onto which I installed Windows 7 as instructed by Linux, and then add Linux (from the above mentioned disk), in the hopes that, with Linux actually installed on the PC, the problem would be resolved. No such luck. All I gained was the additional step of having to quickly select Windows before it times out (in 5 seconds) and automatically loads Linux. I require Windows (and, specifically Windows 7) for all of my writing, creation of illustrations, and so forth (at 70 years of age, I find I am too old to learn how to use the Linux tools, none of which do exactly what I need them to do in the most efficient way). I only wanted Linux as a back-up operating system in case Windows became damaged by malware (since Windows 7 is no longer supported, and since I occasionally have to search on line for photos that I need for my translations, there is always the risk that malware might somehow get into the system -- though I run a suite of malware scans at least 2 times each week, and always after I have found it necessary to do a Google search for images) -- so I could go on line to search for help.

It seems I have no control over this machine any more, should anything go wrong, and that is worrying. Does anyone on here have any idea what happened, and, more importantly, how to rectify it? (The person who was leading me into this for foray into Linux Land suggested I apply to the Linux Mint forums for help.)

The PC is a Samsung DB Z-400

The sticker on the side says that it was sold with Windows 7 factory-installed.

I don't know what the mother board is, or anything else about the hardware (and do not know how to find out other than by physically disassembling the machine and seeing if I can find an information sticker).

Thank you all for your help. Please have a good day.


-- DMB


Edited by dmburkus, 28 October 2023 - 12:43 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 02:44 AM

Another person from the LinuxMint Forums got back to me.  Apparently this is an issue that LinuxMint sometimes causes.  The solution was to boot into BIOS and load the default settings.  Doing so completely resolved the issue.  (He also recommended checking to see if the cmos battery in the motherboard needed replacing -- but mine was fine.)

 

In case anyone else experiences the same issue....

 

Please have a good day, all.

 

 

-- DMB


Edited by dmburkus, 28 October 2023 - 02:44 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 02:48 AM

Has this system ever had Windows 10 installed on it ?

 

There is no more Windows 7, you cannot Activate it as the MS Servers have been taken off line.

 

So why have you not just booted to Linux on a drive and wiped all the partitions that are on system including the Restore  Win 7 Partition along with any others ??

 

You want to Boot and go to BIOS and Make the 1st Device to start is the USB or the Hard Drive.  Which ever you want.  

 

This also maybe occurring due to the CMOS battery being dead.


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 02:49 AM

Ok, well missed the above does not matter anymore........

 

Thanks for letting us know :=}


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 02:52 AM

Pkshadow, no, the PC has never had anything but Windows 7 on it.  It is possibly old enough that it could not handle Windows 10.  Though that is not relevant, because Windows 10 is too difficult for me to use, and several programs I rely on cannot be used on it; and I have to rely on being able to do things as efficiently as possible so I can continue to pay my bills and buy food.  (I recently installed Windows 10 on a laptop -- which Microsoft informed me cannot handle Windows 11 -- and the Edge/Bing nonsense and the non-uninstallable KB4023057 restoring all of the changes I made when setting the laptop up, has made that machine unusable to me other than to access to the internet in an emergency, or when I travel.  It can not be used to create the posts on which I rely for my income with all of that junk on it.)

 

Anyway, yes, the CMOS battery still appears to be functioning well.  The reset was all that was required.  Very simple solution -- if you know what to do!

 

Have a good day.

 

 

-- DMB


Edited by dmburkus, 28 October 2023 - 03:01 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 01:29 PM

Re your other system with Win10 :

Suggest open Settings and go through settings and all it's sub-menus on each Topic and uninstall or turn off stuff you do not use.

Go up/down the start menu and do the same thing by right clicking and uninstall or remove.

 

Open Edge and go to the 3 Dot Menu to Help -->About and then turn off everything do not want regardless if use Edge or not.

 

Install Open Shell Menu then proceed to lobotomize Win10 with downloading and saving to a folder on the Desktop : O&O ShutUp10.  This is done as O&O creates a .ini file so it keeps them together as well need to go back to it's website and check the date of the last release.  If a newer version then download and save overtop of the previous one then run it and reboot it.

 

This  will turn off a lot of things, do backup and make a restore point.  Can play with it until get the right settings your looking for.

 

Turn off MS Fast Start : https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup if have not done so already.


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Posted 28 October 2023 - 05:43 PM

Thank you very much, BCAdvisor.  After installing Windows 10, I immediately did all of those things, because my earlier experience with Windows 10 involved a two-years-older build where Edge was still more or less optional, and could be permanently disabled.  Everything was nice and clean after a couple of hours work...and then Microsoft automatically installed KB4023057, along with maybe 6 other updates, and KB4023057 simply restored everything that I had turned off, and continues to do so every time the machine is rebooted.  That appears to be its sole purpose (to protect Microsoft's revenue through their ability to spy on everything the user is doing -- Edge now runs in the background automatically, apparently taking note of everything that is done on the machine).  And, unlike the other updates, it cannot be removed manually using uninstall.

 

The version of Windows 10 that I had before was usable, if annoying; but this nonsense, where search is populated by a multitude of crazy-colored icons and whirling text, makes searching, say, for control panel, impossible.  Because rather than getting control panel, Bing starts to type out a dissertation on what the control panel is and what it does at speeds that my post-cataract-surgery eyes simply cannot keep up with (because I have no peripheral vision).  I have never seen anything so insane in my 70 years!  If someone is trying to access the control panel, why would they need this totally useless body information?  They just need the control panel!  And it does the same no matter what one types in the search box.  Everything was fine after I spent a couple of hours shutting off all of Microsoft's nonsense things, but I just do not have that kind of time to spend every time I need to use the laptop.  Yet every time the laptop is rebooted, they are all back again, ready to make my visual life hell.  Guess I could not be called a satisfied customer.

 

The only thing I did not know about was OpenShellMenu.  I am going to look into that as soon as I have time to play with the laptop.  As for Edge, I would prefer not to open it.  Just seeing the icon on the OpenShellMenu information page gave me a touch of the heebie-jeebies.  So it is going to take more mental fortitude than I will be able to muster right now (I am recovering from a bad case of food poisoning).

 

Thank you very much for the suggestions.  I will look at the laptop as soon as possible -- several more pressing matters to attend to right now because being sick kept me from doing anything for several days, including buying in some food!  Please have a great day!

 

 

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Posted 29 October 2023 - 04:21 PM

KB4023057 is installed multiple times a year.

 

I need to go into Edge which now updates separately and turn things off that are new or have been reset.  I do not use Edge but turn it off due to call home.

Edge is now integrated into Win10/11 unless live in the EU.

 

Turn Edge off in background :

  1. Open Microsoft Edge on your computer.
  2. Click the three-dot menu icon at the top-right corner.
  3. A drop-down menu will appear. ...
  4. Scroll down until you find the “System” section.
  5. Toggle off the switch next to “Continue running background apps when Microsoft Edge is closed.”

For all other stuff you talk about re search and bing and ..... O&O ShutUp10


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Posted 04 November 2023 - 09:31 PM

Thank you very much, BC Advisor.  I had a bad case of food poisoning before, and last Sunday, when I ate solid food for the first time in about a week, it brought on a full-fledged relapse.  I have been very sick since.

 

Your instructions seem to be very clear and complete, and I will try to implement them as soon as I can.

 

Thank you for taking the time to help me.  I very much appreciate it!

 

 

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