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Seeking Assistance/ Memory Upgrade Windows 7 64 bit


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#16 Synoptic12

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:06 PM

In following you link, I came up with the below. I 2x4,  yet no 2x8.

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Edited by Synoptic12, 20 February 2024 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:09 PM

Personal preference is 2x8. JMO. Two less ranks is better.

If the 4x4 is a lot cheaper, then go with it.

If these are the  same price, then 2x8.

 Thanks very much.How much performance would I lose with two ranks as opposed to one rank, contingent upon whether the application would hold true to my operating system?


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:13 PM

OK then skip it as Crucial probably sold off most of it's DR3 or stopping making new DDR3.

A little, but not that much. Not really noticeable by any means.

 

It is more important for gaming or high end programs for high performance situations, not so much in your situation.

A 256GB system would be using 4 channels and 8 ranks, so in this case the memory runs slower, but these are for the most of RAM to be used as possible so it is necessary.


Edited by 0lds0d, 20 February 2024 - 02:14 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:14 PM

Personal preference is 2x8. JMO. Two less ranks is better.

If the 4x4 is a lot cheaper, then go with it.

If these are the  same price, then 2x8.

 

* The way I interpreted the information regarding the 16 GB's of total Ram would only be pertinent if I added 4 (4X4) gigabytes totalling 16 GB'S. The information did not state 2x8 (16 GB'S). Am I wrong?

 

Look at Post #1 > First Picture @ "Memory Upgrade".


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:16 PM

OK picture is sort of fuzzy, but it is the wrong speed AFAIK.

You could use it anyways, and set the correct speed in the BIOS if the BIOS hasn't done that anyways.

 

OH post NUMBER ONE- yes OK is still good.


Edited by 0lds0d, 20 February 2024 - 02:23 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:17 PM

Which is cheaper is often the best answer.


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:28 PM

OK picture is sort of fuzzy, but it is the wrong speed AFAIK.

You could use it anyways, and set the correct speed in the BIOS if the BIOS hasn't done that anyways.

 

OH post NUMBER ONE- yes OK is still good.

Enlarged picture. The speed shows 1066 and 1333. I have the Clarkdale i5 6xx

 

* It clearly states that "Maximum memory only if using 4GB DDR3 DIMM MODULES! Next to last in 'Memory Modules' data.

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Edited by Synoptic12, 20 February 2024 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:31 PM

I found this to be somewhat beneficial: Could you possibly expand upon the 'Asterik' * below?

 
 
Upgrading single-rank RAM to dual-rank RAM has the benefits of greater memory density and bandwidth. Dual-rank RAM has more capacity and is often a more cost-effective choice. The interleaving of dual-rank RAM delivers a notable uplift in efficiency because each rank can take turns working while the other is being accessed. 
 
One of the primary reasons that devices need dual-rank RAM is for expanded memory bandwidth. There are two physical memory chips that double the amount of memory available, which is perfect for hosts like web servers and workstations.
 
Dual-rank RAM also improves the performance of some products or applications, particularly video editing and 3D rendering. These types of systems are sensitive to memory storage, so having double the capacity allows for smoother operation.
 
* Rather Than Upgrading Memory Rank, Consider Upgrading the Memory Channel
Increasing the number of memory channels delivers a far greater boost in performance than increasing memory rank.
 
A memory channel provides a dedicated conduit for data exchange between the memory controller and the memory module. Increasing the number of memory channels from single-channel to dual-channel means you can achieve simultaneous access to multiple memory modules, massively increasing bandwidth.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 02:55 PM

"* Rather Than Upgrading Memory Rank, Consider Upgrading the Memory Channel

Increasing the number of memory channels delivers a far greater boost in performance than increasing memory rank."
 
I think this refers to upgrading from a single stick to two sticks (use 2x8 instead of a single 16GB for example) instead of just upgrading that single card as dual channel is more efficient than single channel.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:07 PM

OK this.

 

The memory controller searches all the channels and ranks even if not occupied every time it needs to access the memory.

So using one channel with one rank (as with a single card), the controller is still looks for everything everywhere. So it is less efficient and slow.

Using two channel with only one rank each per channel means less searching and is faster. 

If using 2 channels and 1 rank only and occupying the first rank with those 2 cards, it still searches the 2nd rank making it slow than using the 2nd rank configuration.

If using 2 channels and 1 rank only and occupying the second rank, it skips the first rank and goes immediately to the second rank, making it faster or more efficient than using the first rank occupying cards.

Hence using two cards in dual channel and dual rank is always A2 and B2 slots. Not A1 and B1 slots.

But 2 cards even in the wrong rank will still be better than a single card in the single rank (A1) - using the same amount of memory.


Edited by 0lds0d, 20 February 2024 - 03:12 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:24 PM

OK this.

 

The memory controller searches all the channels and ranks even if not occupied every time it needs to access the memory.

So using one channel with one rank (as with a single card), the controller is still looks for everything everywhere. So it is less efficient and slow.

Using two channel with only one rank each per channel means less searching and is faster. 

If using 2 channels and 1 rank only and occupying the first rank with those 2 cards, it still searches the 2nd rank making it slow than using the 2nd rank configuration.

If using 2 channels and 1 rank only and occupying the second rank, it skips the first rank and goes immediately to the second rank, making it faster or more efficient than using the first rank occupying cards.

Hence using two cards in dual channel and dual rank is always A2 and B2 slots. Not A1 and B1 slots.

But 2 cards even in the wrong rank will still be better than a single card in the single rank (A1) - using the same amount of memory.

 

I understand that. Do you think these will be o.k.? In terms of the AB lot, can the four be in any order? I was looking at 16GB (4X4). You did not elaborate on 2 rank. Thank you very much for the outstanding support. I'm looking to purchase.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354382027306?itmmeta=01HQ41ZW8WSHB4M08C0F2J6NNC&hash=item5282d09a2a%3Ag%3ACtcAAOSwdvNjanUy&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAABAPL0Ov%2FNcyrQLwj7Xqu1BWrHJSttMkRA7nEFnpOaENlyz9xvmUAOePbFg%2F97wH4F2DSq6WvW6pyqGKQC3ZQtFG0hlYY6ofvFHWTsJ7KiqYJON1YQ9wNnwJTjjuRE2SW8Pj%2BYZv5ptQqw4Qt3%2B9D5XM636cKmKzcgbLctXdClDJypO1qBsxXkaA1ZHP%2Bo%2FKnIcS2SSNTV1OB7lG4yeOz6kH0eS038LYZ2I5hSGYilkdvW31ftr8qzHFes2%2BsN3yEeJHeEbs0AgqrQSTiQqEKEft143k6qsPH1J%2FoZb658l%2Br0NwmiIyck5dQjYoamPouKYEaEG6Q5pM5RnrYQ0TgSYQQ%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8bE_4G5Yw&LH_ItemCondition=3


Edited by Synoptic12, 20 February 2024 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:34 PM

TY.

I am kind of long winded TBH.

 

Yes buy these-  cheap and are OK for this system. Shipping probably costs more than the cards. Oh it's free shipping - even better.

Can't really lose with 5 dollars anyways - the price of two coffees in a coffee shop in other words.


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:36 PM

TY.

I am kind of long winded TBH.

 

Yes buy these-  cheap and are OK for this system. Shipping probably costs more than the cards. Oh it's free shipping - even better.

 

Thanks very much, placing order. Does it make any difference which order the modules are inserted?


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:39 PM

None. These are the same 4 cards, so not an issue.


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Posted 20 February 2024 - 03:50 PM

None. These are the same 4 cards, so not an issue.

Thanks very much. They're coming from China. What do I owe you for surely you have been a beacon of light in assisting me.


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