Please double-check my builds

No Pads for Desktop.  Arctic Silver Thermal Paste, like 15bucks for a small tube, one of the best.

No Pads for Desktop.  Arctic Silver Thermal Paste, like 15bucks for a small tube, one of the best.

What about EK's paste? It's under $10.

15 dollar Canadian = 10 dollars U.S. of A. It's actually the same cost.

Also the OP is based in Europe and uses Euros not U.S. dollars for currency amounts. Just keep that in mind.

Hello there. I am back. I spent most of yesterday looking at cases and I can tell you it's going to be the Lian Li LANCOOL III or the LANCOOL 216, both in white. Gonna watch some more reviews to decide on which one I like more.

Now let me get to a lot of quoting and replying.

 

Just because a Motherboard can take 6000Mhz does not mean the chip can.

 

You're right, I fell for the marketing mumbo-jumbo. I looked it up and learned that this is achieved via overclocking the RAM, which the CPU probably cannot handle so it would just clock the RAM back down. So I will get a 4800 MHz RAM Kit instead and if I really feel like it I could overclock that just the same.

How you got spot on for the AMD Ryzen 5 5600 I will never know.

I can tell you. I started building my new PC back when Intel's 12th Gen got released and AMDs 5000 series was still the newest they had to offer. Back then I decided between a 12600K and a 5600X. Of course AMD now got newer CPU's and the 7600X is comparable to the 12600k. But I prefer the 12600k to the 7600X and I kept the idea for the 5600X because it is cheaper than the 12600K. And then I learned the 5600 is even cheaper. So I went with that for a potential budget build, not as an alternative that is just as powerful.

Considered a board with WiFi built in?

Elite series from GIGABYTE is maybe better.

Yes, I did consider it, but is more expensive. The Elite AX V2 has WIFI built in, but less USB Connectors and I need atleast 5 and often 6-7. So I preferred the Pro-P as it had more USB-Connectors and was also much cheaper than the Pro. Also I have no idea whether the one seller that has the Pro-P sells Rev 1.0 or Rev 1.1.

But I feel like the atleast this AMD build is off the table. The idea for the 7600 get's discussed at the end.

ASUS P8P67 : which you do not say what (rev)

It's the Rev 3.0. But this thing is old news anyway. The MoBo is older than 99% of children in 4th grade.

Suggest use partspicker

Did that. I think you can see it here: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/QnBL3y The only compatibility issue right now is that I don't have a CPU fan selected. I will look into that later on.

I would look for a motherboard with the better audio specs and features - if watching a lot of movies or listening to music, then good audio maybe a consideration in choosing the board.

I don't know. So far I was fine with the audio my PC put out. and P8P67 Rev 3.0 has an ALC892. And the ALC4080 should be much better than that, in case I can even hear the difference. And the ALC4080 is supposedly just as good as the ALC1220, atleast when asking the human ear.

And at worst I could get a soundcard.

Also the Blu-Ray Drive is out of the picture. Finding a good case with 5,25" slot is tough. And since I don't have Blu-Rays yet I don't lose anything. Instead I can buy some old movies on Amazon Prime.

And for the CD's and DVD's I may use my old PC or get a cheap external drive.

Stay with the thermal compound and not a pad. Pads aren't really meant for CPU uses.

No Pads for Desktop.  Arctic Silver Thermal Paste, like 15bucks for a small tube, one of the best.

Okay, no pad.

Arctic Silver 5 paste costs only like 8€.

Now to the big one:

OK. This is what I personally think about this. Do that Intel build which is what you really want anyways, or build a newer AMD AM 5 (not the older series 4).  The newer AMD platform is supported for two more years, so you could get something like a AMD Ryzen 5 7600 (non X) for now to use and then do a good upgrade in the future. Whereas the Intel build can be only upgraded perhaps to a 13 generation series i7  and then no more possible upgrades.

 

The AMD 7600 is reasonably priced, uses only 65 watts TDP and runs cooler. It comes with a stock cooler and is pre-pasted so no need for buying thermal compound or a cooler (in the immediate future, maybe later on).  Also, the AMD 5 7600 has basically the same performance as the Intel Core  i5-12600k, whereas the AMD 5600 is not as strong as the Intel 5 12600k. 

 

And in two years from now if possible then get a newer AMD CPU and use that one for many years. So, instead of a proposed five years use from the build, you could get maybe seven years enjoyment from the build. Or still go with the AMD AM4 series but don't get the 5600 and instead get a 5700x (or 5800x) or the 5800X3D  - these are better. Especially the 5800X3D as it is tops for gaming (most games but not all) as it has the extra CPU cache and games that are more CPU demanding have very good results with the 5800X3D.

 

I gave that some thought and the 7600 sounds like a good idea, especially with the option to upgrade later on. But this would cost even more. The idea was not to have the system for a set 5 years. It was more like atleast 5 years, possibly more. Basically use it until it breaks or becomes very outdated. My i5-2500k starts to struggle even with games that have rather simple graphics, but lots of parts to keep track off (like Cosmoteer).

But taking the 7600 to use less power and save money is a really attractive idea. An estimate with the Calculator under https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator gives me an estimated 680,57€ per year in energy cost for the 12600K. The 7600 costs about 597,93€ per year. About 80€ less and with 400€ over 5 years that would be very much worth a more expensive Zen4 Mobo. And I wouldn't even lose anything in terms of processing power and still have the option to upgrade later on.

I really gotta give that some more time to think over. Will report back in due time.

Edited by EverythingIsBleeping, 28 March 2023 - 07:11 PM.

Your case " Lian Li LANCOOL III or the LANCOOL 216,"  Just tried to help a person with one of this.  They bought from a shop all setup then did a clean install (this week) and now can not get the case RPG cans to run and M/B synced.

Non-existent Support or info.  OP was still looking for a answer last looked at post.

As for rev 1 or 1.1 could be a lot of difference in fixes to the M/B as well possible better performance and security.   

Ya you guys have weird electricity and TV and... expenses.  Do not cheap on the PSU brand/model.

You will regret not getting all you want at the start of this buy.  Build for the future now even if takes a few more months.  (my Rampage cost 450 in 2008, using it now. Video cards are the only thing have had to update besides case fans, PSU.)

(my Maximus Extreme was 450 in 2013, chip died in storage for awhile, swapped chip out of a Hero and new Water Cooler, new case fans, updated video card, PSU, back to using it again. For now till have to go to Linux)

So there is some things that buy big and will still be relevant like the Maximus Over Clocking Panel (no longer make) So that is my suggestion.   Wait until a sale and or have more cash.

Might want to look at a TUF M/B, reasonably priced, made by a collection of companies sold under ASUS.

Expensive site though is around the same here for fairly good stuff : https://www.caseking.de/en  and https://geizhals.eu/

G'luck :=}

One of those cases is almost all mesh - that maybe makes for a lot of dust getting onto the system and maybe that breaks up the direct incoming and  going out the rear and top airflows? 

The i5 can use more power but probably uses less or about the same amount of power when idling or under light loads. 

 

Your case " Lian Li LANCOOL III or the LANCOOL 216,"  Just tried to help a person with one of this.  They bought from a shop all setup then did a clean install (this week) and now can not get the case RPG cans to run and M/B synced.

Yeah, I heard there can be problems. I don't want the RGB anyway, so if I can't make it work, I can live with that quite well.

 

Expensive site though is around the same here for fairly good stuff : https://www.caseking.de/en  and https://geizhals.eu/

I am already using Geizhals. One of the best sites to shop and compare tech stuff.

 

One of those cases is almost all mesh - that maybe makes for a lot of dust getting onto the system and maybe that breaks up the direct incoming and  going out the rear and top airflows?

In my experience mesh cases collect less dust than enclosed cases because the dust can also get out easier. My first PC was a Fujitsu Siemens PC similiar to this one: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/1280x1024/2003/07/fujsiem.jpg

Completely closed plastic front, completely closed metal sides and bottom. Backside had the PSU fan and an additional fan on top...although maybe one on the side, not sure anymore. Either way, that thing had a thick layer of dust on it after 2 years. Probably had fans taking air in, but non taking it out.

I think a mesh case would fare better than that.

Alright, I am done with thinking things over. Here is my latest build:

1. Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 Force WIFI (291,98€), and yes, it's gonna need a BIOS update for the CPU to work

2. Processor: Intel Core i5-13600K (340,25€)

the 13600K costs only 80€ more and fits into the 1700 Socket. It can draw more Power max, but when undervolting the CPU in the Bios it keeps its performance, while drawing a lot less power https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/zlex52/i5_13600k_draws_230_watts_of_power_stock/

and it supposedly draws less power than the Alder Lake when idle, because the Raptor Lake has IMVP9

3. CPU-Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE White ARGB (41,90€), rated for a TDP of 120 to 265W, according to the seller the 1700 bracket is included

3.1 Thermalpaste: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g (8,10€)

3.2 Thermalright LGA1700 12th Gen CPU Contact Frame (11,90€)

What is this you may ask? The 1700 Socket is often bent, leading to bad contact between the heatspreader and the cooler, leading to worse cooling. A contact frame is more mechanical fumbling, but on average 5°C less temp on the CPU.

Here is a vid about the problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI and here is a test of the Thermalright Frame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYU1OskbY-Q

4. Memory: Corsair Vengeance grey DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-5600, CL36-36-36-76, on-die ECC (110,87€)

the 13600K can handle up 5600 MT/s and grey is 6€ cheaper than black

5. Power supply: Cooler Master V-Series V750 Gold V2 White Edition 750W  (132,10€)

6. Solid State Drive: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB, M.2 (138,39€)

6. Hard disk drive: Seagate BarraCuda Compute 4TB (69,74€)

7. Video card: 8GB XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS Black (0€, already have it)

8. Optical drive:  The Blu-Ray drive is out. If needed I will get an external DVD-Drive later on.

9. Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 RGB, white, with glas window (113,85€)

10. Operating System: Windows 11 (gotta check how to best get that)

here is the PCPartPicker list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KYpsDq

I am still not 100% sure if the 13600K is a better option than the 12600K. But I am already certain that I would rather have an intel build instead of a Ryzen build, even though the 1700 Socket is already at the end of its lifespan. I am not looking to update anything on that build, except maybe the graphics card within the next couple years.

So, how do you feel about it, now?

CPU-Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE White ARGB (41,90€), rated for a TDP of 120 to 265W, according to the seller the 1700 bracket is included

 

3.1 Thermalpaste: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g (8,10€)

 

Yes, it comes with the mounting stuff. I have the non-SE version.

It also comes with TF-7 thermal "grease".

10. Operating System: Windows 11 (gotta check how to best get that)

 

Download the Windows Media tool and use that to install whichever Windows you have a license for, or can upgrade to.

Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut - Roman  "der8auer" approved!  - https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/

Checked the Support list for the RAM and drives that these are compatible and a proper fit for the board?  https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-FORCE-WIFI/support

Edited by 0lds0d, 02 April 2023 - 12:40 PM.

RAM on the list keeps pointing to EXPO not XMP or is there a difference anyways and not just dedicated to EXPO?

Also does the RAM have enough clearance under the CPU cooler? 

Edited by 0lds0d, 02 April 2023 - 12:06 PM.

"I am still not 100% sure if the 13600K is a better option than the 12600K. "

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4603vs5008/Intel-i5-12600K-vs-Intel-i5-13600K

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/

If the 12600K is cheaper and so is the board and the DDR4 RAM, then I would go with the 12600K. 

For gaming  and general use the 12600K is perfectly fine as the 12600K is only 4% slower overall in gaming at 1440p (for example) and really only lags in productivity.

That 4% difference won't be noticeable.

For business or professional work then it is the 13600K to pick as it does have improved multithread performance.

The single thread performance is most important factor for gaming and there is really little difference between the two generations in that aspect. Again the 12600K only 4 or 5% slower in the single thread performance. 

But for home use and gaming I  would pick the 12600K. 

"I am not looking to update anything on that build, except maybe the graphics card within the next couple years."

Either way both CPU generations maybe obsolete in several years and that 4-5% difference in the future won't make any difference either. So go cheaper and save that money towards that new graphic card.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MRNJj2 (and as for the cooler, you could maybe go cheap or cheaper as it's not an i9 and something else lower in price would maybe suffice. And is there a color or RGB preference for the cooler?)

Edited by 0lds0d, 02 April 2023 - 01:10 PM.

 

It also comes with TF-7 thermal "grease".

The TF-7 seems good enough. I am gonna skip the Kryonaut then.

 

Checked the Support list for the RAM and drives that these are compatible and a proper fit for the board?  https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-FORCE-WIFI/support

 

Just did.

The RAM I selected does not show up, BUT:

The black version of the RAM has the Modelnumber CMK32GX5M2B5600C36 and is supported

The grey version of the RAM has the Modelnumber CMK32GX5M2B5600Z36 and does not show up in the MSI Support list.

I doubt that it is not supported. More likely they just didn't list every color variant.

The PSU list has the Cooler Master V-Series V850 Gold V2. I plan to get  the Cooler Master V-Series V750 Gold V2.

Again I doubted they listed every PSU with every available wattage

Both the SSD and HDD show up and are supported.

 

Also does the RAM have enough clearance under the CPU cooler?

Don't know and don't know how to find out.

 

But for home use and gaming I  would pick the 12600K.

Those are the uses I have for it. Then I will go for that.

But whether I will get a board with DDR4 I am not sure. I am gonna look into it. I don't like the MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI, cause it doesnt have enough USB ports in the back. I need atleast 5 at all times (Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, Mic, Printer) and usually 2 more for a Wireless Connector for a game pad and an external HDD.

I am gonna check the available boards some more.

I checked. And I don't like the other boards.

The MSI MAG Z690 Tomahawk WIFI DDR4 looks promising and is 50€ cheaper than the MSI MPG Z690 Force WIFI. And another 43€ on the RAM. So about 95€ saved overall.

But I prefer the MSI MPG Z690 Force WIFI a lot, so I will go for that.