Congress funding the government one week at a time.

JBG
 
"Me.....I was taught to save for the future. And I did.
IMO, Social Security and many current social support mechanisms are at risk and likely won't last a decade.
At that time, few will argue about the debt crisis, more will simply want/need more and more support to survive.....a bit late to correct a debt problem effectively."
 
If the public support system fails or collapses such as social security, then so does everything else.
A collapse would mean an across the board failure, not a selective failure.
In that situation, it won't, matter how much money is saved, it probably won't be enough with either a food shortage with nothing edible to be available or some extremely high inflation rate where the saved money will be insufficient (one loaf of bread = $1,000 US for example).

@ Dan

Why has the States supported Israel for many decades with billions and military aid?

Why has the States supported so many other nations with billions and military aid?

The U.S. of A. should support Ukraine but with NATO not alone.

Let NATO make the first big step forward and move troops into Ukraine.

Just sending supplies and arms to Ukraine is nothing more than a placebo and a poor excuse for doing real action for a real problem and what is a real threat to the security of the whole of Europe.

@ Dan
 
Why has the States supported Israel for many decades with billions and military aid?
Why has the States supported so many other nations with billions and military aid?

@ OO

Question. Why is the U.S. of A. in the Middle East? Historically or previous decades and present day reasons please.

Just to protect the U.S. oil interests? Or are there more altruistic reasons?

lol...from the financial responsibilities of Congress and now rationalizing a complex situation with a simple response.

Well, the history of that part of the world is one of dire hatreds between ethnic/religious groups highlighted by ethnic/religious cleansing, even by outside sources in Europe. The Third Reich.

We got involved. WW2.

And there is oil. Largely, our support of Israel led to embargoes by oil rich Muslim nations in the 1970's as OPec flexed it's muscles.

Support of the Shaw of Iran ( friendly to the US ) led to conflicts as he was over thrown as a brutal dictator.

Iran hates us.

Reagan supported Saddam Hussein in Iraq's war with Iran.

Saddam was not our friend.

GW Bush sets the Middle East on fire in a response to 9/11 which Saddam had no involvement.

What was your question? ( lol )

The oil?....of course it's played a big part,

Altruism? Not so much. A lot of cynicism and hypocrisy no doubt.

Russians have been expanding and no one really made an issue over it, such as Georgia or the Crimea.

BS. Not enough effort was made concerning Crimea and look at the situation Ukraine faces because of it.

As for Ukraine, it's NATO that needs to stand up and physically act, not leave the onus on the Americans.

NATO is an alliance of allies.

The US is the most powerful. The onus is on us to provide as much as we are capable.

China can be swatted in one fell swoop

Major exaggeration.

destroy their fragile teetering economy and that alone would bring it down. China is very close to an economic meltdown - all it needs is a good push to knock it down.

Are you arguing for a preemptive military strike, a trade war or ramping up our own economy as a challenge?

As for the U.S. of A. foreign spending, we do the same in Canada by donating massive amount of funds to foreign nations.

In regards to Ukraine, the spending in support of their resistance is done at home and the weapons/ammunition  shipped to them.

It's material aid.

I keep shaking my head and ask why don't we instead give that money to our own people and help our selves first and the rest of the world should come second.

The same was said before WW2 and all it did was appease Hitler.

The same goes today with Putin.

@OO

If the public support system fails or collapses such as social security, then so does everything else.

Not everything.

Oligarchs will rule absolutely in a very undemocratic environment much like elements of South America....like Venezuela.

For many, extreme poverty. Constant conflicts and social disruption.

Eventually authoritarian rule by force.

That ^ aspect is currently a possibility after our next election.

saved money will be insufficient (one loaf of bread = $1,000 US for example).

Ah...the advent of hyper inflation. That could happen and might with a Sanders or an AOL as a leader.

But it's a poor rationale to ignore saving/investing for the future.

There are too many people pretending to be conservatives ....while expecting the government to guarantee their future.... just as there are too many people expecting a living income with out working for it .

Entitlement infects both mentalities.

JBG

"Are you arguing for a preemptive military strike, a trade war or ramping up our own economy as a challenge?"

Trade war, monetary war, travel embargo  war, ban all Chinese immigrants, buy American products that are made in America, replace Chinese imports with Made in America products, promote American ramping up of the economy, etc.

"I keep shaking my head and ask why don't we instead give that money to our own people and help our selves first and the rest of the world should come second.

Edited by 0lds0d, 02 March 2024 - 02:04 PM.

"If the public support system fails or collapses such as social security, then so does everything else.

Edited by 0lds0d, 02 March 2024 - 01:24 PM.

Dan

"It pisses me off to actually see people saying I stand with Ukraine while flying the Ukrainian flag on US Soil."

That should be illegal. The only flag flying should be the Stars and Stripes.

Dan

"I URGE EVERYONE THAT STANDS WITH UKRAINE TO IMMRDIATELY PACK THEIR BAGS REGARDLESS OF DISABILITY STATUS AND GO LITERALLY STAND WITH UKRAINE WHILE GIVING YOUR VACATED HOME TO ANY ILLEGAL THAT COMES BY LET THEM STAY IN YOUR HOME TO MOOCH OFF OF YOU WHILE YOU STAND FOR AND SUPPORT UKRAINE ALSO ALL THOSE IN FOREIGN NATIONS'

Give them a one way ticket to Ukraine and give them a rifle when they get there. That is the only way to properly support Ukraine and that is the absolute support for Ukraine...................anything else is strictly an arm chair supporter or just a duffer.

Dan
 
"It pisses me off to actually see people saying I stand with Ukraine while flying the Ukrainian flag on US Soil."
 
That should be illegal. The only flag flying should be the Stars and Stripes.

Dan
 
"I URGE EVERYONE THAT STANDS WITH UKRAINE TO IMMRDIATELY PACK THEIR BAGS REGARDLESS OF DISABILITY STATUS AND GO LITERALLY STAND WITH UKRAINE WHILE GIVING YOUR VACATED HOME TO ANY ILLEGAL THAT COMES BY LET THEM STAY IN YOUR HOME TO MOOCH OFF OF YOU WHILE YOU STAND FOR AND SUPPORT UKRAINE ALSO ALL THOSE IN FOREIGN NATIONS'
 
Give them a one way ticket to Ukraine and give them a rifle when they get there. That is the only way to properly support Ukraine and that is the absolute support for Ukraine...................anything else is strictly an arm chair supporter or just a duffer.

"Russians have been expanding and no one really made an issue over it, such as Georgia or the Crimea.

"Yup you get it others don't quite grasp the terminology "virtue signaling."

Oh something that is new for me  - I learned new words today!

We used to say "get off your a** and do something". More to the point.

Trade war, monetary war, travel embargo  war, ban all Chinese immigrants, buy American products that are made in America, replace Chinese imports with Made in America products, promote American ramping up of the economy, etc.

In other words, do something, anything, everything?

When and how are you going to start up the necessary industries especially when it's obvious government subsidies will play a major factor, a very major factor in their creation.

And it doing that, how would you avoid corporatism and corporate socialism?

Should the government be the creator of industries? This is even sounding a bit like socialism.

Who owns these industries?

replace Chinese imports with Made in America products, promote American ramping up of the economy

In a free market economy, how are you going to accomplish this?

Legislating what can or can not be sold to the citizen?

If an American industry is unable to compete head to head within the US, who is going to buy our products on the world market?

It's easy to say 'make it so' but doing it is problematic.

It did not appease Hitler

Sorry, I misspoke, the attempt was to appease Hitler

 Result was the invasion of one country after another.

Putin follows the same path.

If Japan had not attacked the US of A then America would have entered the WW2 and would have continued to make profits from exports to the UK.

No.

The Germans were underway with nuclear experiments and our involvement would have eventually occurred.

Fortunately, we were involved and destroyed their brief lead..

But this is irrelevant to today's situation involving Russian expansion.

Also not relevant to today's Russian expansion.

I am optimistic not pessimistic and hope that the future will not be so bad.

For you now.  Not so much for Europeans and our own future.

Spend it now because we may be dead soon from old age so enjoy it now and you can't take it with you!

Sounds great till it doesn't work out and you are dependent upon me sharing with you LOL!!!

You're no conservative, that's for sure

Besides which what exactly should I save for anyway, my old age?

Indeed. Support yourself.

I AM OLD now so what is the point of saving?

I am too.  The point? You remain independent to make choices on/of your own.

Got some saved, yes I have, but it's rather pointless to save more for old age, instead I just spend the incoming income and enjoy life a little better.

LOL....Maybe you just don't make enough.

I agree.

No issues were made at the time

Again, you are incorrect.

Obama was weak, but the advance of Russian expansion temporarily halted in absorbing all of Ukraine.

sending supplies and military goods isn't enough

It's been the recent lack of material support that has been detrimental to the Ukrainian cause.